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houndsoflove13 wrote:

why disagree with me?
I totally agree with you, he def wasnt happy with fame he liked to be taken serious like any artist and he loved bands like flipper, s youth and vaselines. He liked things that are interesting and went from leadbelly to rem.
But i dont believe he killed himself...

I mis understood or misread something about the fame bit - I'm taking decongestants at the moment and they contain pseudo-epherdrine - which by the way is what some people usually in trailers cook down to make crystal meth - so my brain is a bit in overdrive and not necessarily the good kind

The first time I heard them - it was before Nevermind came out, I think it was called Bleach or Bleech - a couple of friends of mine were really into them - less so after the album came out. If they had achieved fame here first (as in if they were English) they probably wouldn't have been as big - being top 10 in the states is an awful lot different than being in the top 10 over here. You kind of lose your credibility if that makes sense - an ex. Arctic Monkeys became big over here - in the states not as much - they were marginalized...so any notions of integrity they got to keep.

Most music that makes top 40 in the states isn't really weird (weird in the sense of being in any subculture etc - there are some exceptions Beck, REM - REM in particular - that kind of fame wasn't good for Michael Stipes head) most of the "odd" looking or acting bands come from Britain or Europe - which is kind of excused because they aren't american - not sure if this is making sense.

It also probably didn't help that models in Vogue were wearing Nirvana shirts and $500 flannel shirts - they became that big in the states - which may be great for people like Madonna or other american pop and r&b crap but not for him. I can safely say that kind of fame wouldn't be right for me either- it's a curse and has an awful lot of baggage and I probably would have reacted the same way

grunge was hugerly sold/advertised over here but only after nevermind/smells like teen spirit was out and about. I remember watching think was Richard&Judy and they had a whole grunge fashion week. I was like what the feck.
I wore ripped jeans, baggy jumpers, dot martins and all and next thing I know they were showing and selling it on TV for mark up prices and you could then by ripped jeans instead of do it yourself like I did...LOL

Thats when grunge died and reason music in general is dieing as music moguls are entering and selling every time of music but making it soulless. Look at punk, rock, qand especially the shit indie at moment. Hmmmm...
Its so hard to find bands that matter at moment they are there thankfully but they dont get much press and only just enough to probably survive.
And NME which used to push new artists is absolutely crap now and far to mainstream.

Saying all this though every now and then after a period of mediocrity bands start to form at the bottom who have soul and talent and it eventually explodes and we get a new period of good music.
But things have changed in some ways and the music moguls are onto new scenes quicker than ever before and then they are pop manufactured before the explosion can take place...

Kurts dead???!!!

No spoiler tag or nothing. Ruined it for me that has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwi243kGyY

behold the greatest british rock band of all time making their debut at the greatest festival. yer i,m talking about thunder at donninigton 90. found this little gem on you tube.

i was 14 and went with my older bro. fecking great show

don't piss on Nirvana!

I was a big Nirvana fan from the first to last albums at the time, but then in retrospect I was trying to find something different for myself I suppose. My older brother was into Metal in a big way and it got me into Metal in a big way but people always thought I was just following him and in Nirvana I found a band not well known that I could get into that hadn't been established while I was too young to understand, and so they helped me form my own identity over music. However they only really served as a stepping stone into a wider world of music I was introducing myself too rather than having it drip fed too me with someone elses opinion attached to it. They helped me find the Pixies, Soundgarden, Faith No More an early Green Day, which in turn got me into punk back catalogues like stiff little fingers, black flag, agnostic front, The melvins etc etc and so spread my musical tastes into Ska, Dancehall, Reggae, Thrash, Metal, Indie (proper indie), Hardcore and Grunge.
In retrospect I find that Nirvana were rather tame and some of the songs are so dull to me now, I certainly don't listen to them by choice any more, everything they did became so saturated by idiots who were just in it for fasion. But some songs still retain that magic which captured my maturing into someone who apprecited music and wanted to write and partake in the band lifestyle and for that I owe Nirvana a lot. It makes me cringe when people who weren't old enough to remember Bleach have it emblazoned on a tshirt. I think that old rockers must feel the same when they see people with LedZep t-shirts on.
The voice inside my head goes straight back to Nam "You don't know you weren't there man!" But then I think on all the bands I found through becoming who I am and I have to hold back

I actually find most metal very mainstream and about image as much as pop.
I just like music and people passionate about music.

Nirvana were a fantastic band for their time their image is tarnished by people wagon riding them and selling them out.
They made fantastic music, had probably one of the best drummers and bascists of the 90's and a great song writer.
They werent as grunge as some grunge acts but were labelled as grunge. Compared to Mudhoney, Butthole Surfers, Flipper, Sonic Youth they were tame but none the less they were a very important band and wrote some amazing songs.

The other day I put on In Utero and it was so great to here songs like "Milk It", "Very Ape", "Heartshaped Box", "Frances Farmer..." among others. For me its my fav Nirvana album.
Though nevermind has some great tracks like "Lounge Act", "Drain You", "Something in the way" etc it sort of becoming less important when it grew with popularity for me, none the less I know ita a great album.

Anyway this take me back to skool and arguing with all the ravers and metallers...

well at the time Nirvana was out - I was listening to lots of Wax Trax stuff, Psychic TV, Coil, Neubauten, Skinny Puppy - industrial music

I was also into Current 93, Death in June, Nurse With wound, Zoviet France, SPK etc

so Nirvana wasn't really my thing

gawd, dont even start me on nirvana. kurt was my john lennon, so...

anyways, the best book written on the subject is called (will insert when i go and remind myself the name of it) and blows open a hell of a lot of the myths surrounding his death.

anyways, im not gonna spout on about it. its easy enough to pick up on ebay.

and about his death, there is one very simple reason why he didnt kill himself, and it is to do with the level of drugs in his system. he had something like 3 times the lethal limit of heroin in his system. just the limit alone is enough to almost freeze the body in a catatonic state, yet we are to believe that kurt shot up enough dope to kill himself instantly, then pack everything away neat and tidy (his paraphenalia was back inside its case) THEN take the gun and blow his brains out?

theres also a rumoured conspiracy with the police. ie: lots of evidence presented by tom grant (private detective originally hired by courtney to find kurt when he fled rehab) and others to the police that indicated there was no way it could be suicide, yet they wont re-open the case

www.cobaincase.com is tom grants website. interesting stuff